I would kickstart this to become a larger scaled game.
A downloadable game
'Battle against a boss and their minions in a dynamic and evolving challenge that still rewards careful observation and planning'
|| GAMEPLAY ELEMENTS ||
- A tutorial boss that gives you an interactive introduction to the core knowledge you will need to succeed in future possible conquests.
- An overarching Boss 'mindset' that you can observe to help plan current and future actions you should take.
- A twist on the common rock>paper>scissors that creates an additional layer to guide who might want to target, while doubling as a way to plan what monster could give you the most trouble in the future.
- A shared method across all your characters to recover health during battle that creates a balance of risk, reward and thoughtful timing.
- Characters that grow inside the battle, with a focused pair of techniques you can learn at the most opportune time, or when you aren't busy surviving.
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I would kickstart this to become a larger scaled game.
Wow I'm seriously honored to hear that :D! Happy to hear you enjoyed your time with it that much :).
Played through this and wrote my thoughts on it!
Absolutely incredible write-up! Thank you so much for considering the game worthy of one and for taking such a thorough look at the systems within it, I'm really happy to hear you enjoyed your overall experience with it :).
Haha.....the swordsman axe holder thing, heard that elsewhere and I feel so silly, got caught up in the gameplay I never stopped to consider renaming the classes after I added the axe for her to hold (she didn't have a weapon until I did the animation which was late in development).
And yeah I wish I could have done something more to merge their art styles but at most I was able to add some weak shadows to them, glad you enjoyed their characterization enough to enjoy them being there though.
I'm most happy to hear how much you interacted with the choices I tried to build in there like the twist in the scissors-paper-rock system and risk-reward of lower health for the skill bonuses, etc, reading your write-up honestly put such a grin on my face :)! Truly honored for you to have written this and so strongly observed the game and its mechanics ^^.
I'd like to have more interaction from the players and enemies/boss with the boss mindset too, but I was both limited by time and not wanting to overwhelm the player with even more initial considerations. Ideally I'd scale this boss back a bit/tweak its difficulty and have a followup boss after it that built more on its mindset, like enemies gaining passive effects when its at a certain location or sub-directions its mindset could take it. I'm more glad to know that as-is not paying significant attention to the mindsets state each turn won't end you guaranteed with everything else to still consider.
Hopefully you'll get to see more of it in the future if I develop it further, as now the architecture is there it'll be easier to expand, I'm happy to know you show interest in that :).
Again sincerely thanks so much for the awesome awesome write-up :)!
Also read a few more of your articles and you've got a bunch of awesome writing there. I noticed too you were planning to do write-ups on more IGMC2017 entries. If I might be able to suggest one, I'd strongly recommend https://itch.io/jam/igmc2017/rate/190782, as among other strong entries it is without a doubt my personal favorite. A super cute and charming, imaginative story focused project with a few light puzzles.
Glad to hear your thoughts on my review! I've actually been looking forward to playing PALETTA since I've already been following the team. The team behind it made a demo for another sort of adventure game called XV, and I recommend that you check that out!
No worries :)!
Oh cool haha. Just got a chance to check it out and it's great. A weird but cool creepy atmosphere -without unnecessary jumpscares from what I experienced- though I got super stuck, and I did feel like it took a bit too long to explore/re-explore areas that you needed to over and over again (even with the item that helped you move faster). Still has me looking forward to seeing what the final product could turn out like :D.
I played this game today, and here are my thoughts.
-Unique idea for a game.
-Short. Only one conquest + tutorial.
Suggestions for improvement:
-I think the one main conquest is too hard for the first one. Put a few more beginner ones for the player to work up their skills on, then put that one it. It felt like it might have been right for say #5 or so.
-I'm not a fan of Cheer and skill learning taking up the same pool of mana. You can easily get into a cycle of always healing and no way to improve the characters.
-Tone down the monster summoning rate by the bosses please. I was ready to throw my computer out the window if that boss summoned one more round of monsters.
-Skill descriptions should tell you what you are about to learn in more detail. Making the player learn and find out what the skill is does not go over well with players these days.
Decent. Room for improvement, but that's normal with only a month to make it. 3/5 (Average).
Thanks a lot for your thoughtful response.
First I want to mention regarding the skills, they are available besides the learn action to read what they are (I couldn't fit the skill information and explain that you need to take a turn to learn it etc within the same thing, so I have them besides eachother).
If I were to have more time with it I'd like to add an initial character selection screen that includes the full detail of their skill/power actions too before the battle.
As this was a solo project within the months time, and the majority of that time was spent just getting the systems working, regrettably I didn't get to have any smoother learning curve between the tutorial boss and the boss itself. Ideally of course I'd like to have more Boss's inbetween/after it, but I made sure I could consistently beat it-while recognizing that I knew the battle inside and out, before I felt the challenge was likely right-while expecting a new player to need 1+ attempts before beating it. I also hoped to ease their progression between battles by having the few ranks I was able to implement there to add at least some feeling of progress.
The reason the cheer and skill learning is taken from the same pool is for you to try and balance the opportunity between learning new skills and recovering, if they were separate pools it would feel redundant. Though if I end up investing in the project more I may try to adjust the pacing and reduce the cheering to 2 given your feedback, and that there's already the overlapping limitation that you need to defeat a new enemy to use that/take your turn using it. It would depend on how the new boss's/enemies affect the current mechanics/pace.
I did a lot of retesting for this and had to go with what felt like the right balance at the time while leaving me the wiggle room to finish everything else, but I wouldn't doubt this could be improved more so thanks for voicing your thoughts about it (e.g. I tried to make the B skills easier to achieve but I might want to tweak them more too, like automatically giving you a charge each time the character cheers).
The boss battle is meant to be a longer than standard journey from start to finish while you try to take advantage of weaknesses you might discover (not exactly, but think Shadows of the Colossus if you know of that game-a journey to defeat the boss), (e.g. if you activate it in the right way when its mindset is at the left/right side [the green side] it will end up short-circuiting giving you extra room for damage/delaying monster spawning). Of course though it may have felt more natural if there had been stepping stones before this boss. If I have enough interest to develop more boss's I may split long/short battles between their own categories so it's more understood what challenge you're participating in.
Thanks a lot for trying it out and sharing your impressions :), hopefully it may evolve into a project you can enjoy more in the future.
If I may suggest a previous project that might already be closer to something you'd enjoy - https://forums.rpgmakerweb.com/index.php?threads/phernil-academy-use-knowledge-a... - of course it's up to you though, just thought I'd share it :). And there's a few videos of it to quickly see if it may interest you.
Again thanks so much for playing and taking the time to respond :).
Sounds like you got a good plan to improve it! About the skills, I think you could put an item the player can use to read what the skills do. The only problem would be that would cost a turn, but maybe that can be balanced (maybe it also guards? Just an idea that came to mind as typing)? Or maybe an optional 'challenge' the player can enter that is just a room to read up on all of this. Would require the player to remember what they do, but it would be a start.
I think a separate group of short, quick, hard hitting bosses might be fun! I say go for it! That can be say a track B or something, and keep what you have on track A? Though I still think a couple leading up to that boss could be a good idea, as usually making players redo the first real battle on average is a great way to make them quit and not come back these days (or so I've learned). Hence why I suggested a couple easier ones first.
Best of luck as you continue to work on this!
Thank you :)!
Ohh I could definitely do that for the skills, and no worries about taking a turn to read them-I know an instant cast trick that means it won't cost a turn, that's what I use for the Journal in the battle menu :D. I can create an action below the Journal, 'Skill List', that will let you read through your characters skills.
Happy to hear you like the idea for the separate Boss category too. Yeah I certainly agree that it could use some more battles before it, or scaling back its difficulty to have more difficult difficult Boss's after it instead would be nice. Maybe even a rematch with a stronger Slime King with a full set of slime battlers would immediately work well for that.
I hoped that keeping the tutorial boss as interactive as it was but an easier challenge could help reduce new players frustration when reaching the single Boss's intended challenge. It was a difficult judgement on how to scale its difficulty when I both wanted to make it a challenge to overcome, as too easy a Boss when it's the only one could leave you without any sense of accomplishment, but too hard would definitely lead to that frustration. Hopefully it's not so daunting that players who didn't defeat it wouldn't be willing to come back for other in-between challenge levels later.
Thank you so very much for your words of encouragement towards the project, I'll do my best for sure :)!